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Facts for Stanton Friedman: Exposing Michael Horn's lies told during the debate on X-Zone radio show
This article is specifically written to inform the Physicist, Lecturer and UFO Researcher, Stanton Friedman (SF) regarding the many lies told by Michael Horn (MH) during their 2nd debate on Meier case on the X-Zone radio show, aired on November 11, 2015. I have chosen the word 'lies' for MH rather than 'inaccurate' or 'flawed' claims or arguments is because all of the facts that I am going to present below was known to him since last year and some even before that. Despite being aware of all the facts that clearly and demonstrably refutes his wild assertions, he chose to make so many of the same misleading and deceitful claims again and again, along with the deliberate suppression of some crucial information which we will see in a moment.
Around 10 min. into Part 1 of the interview, SF (with a little help from me) points to MH about the fact that the original documents of so-called predictions doesn't exist and also that many of them have only been published after the events occurred. MH, then in response, points to the specific information that can be verifiably published by Meier on planets Mars and Mercury.
Mars:
On planet Mars, MH at 16:50 min. says (verbatim) about Meier's prediction made in 1976 (contact report 60) that:
"..scientists will discover that there is more water on Mars than they even can imagine; there are small fauna and flora life forms and the environment is hostile to life - 1976. We then in 2008 discovered why there is water, subsequently we discovered there is more water than thought. We discovered microorganisms and we discovered that the soil there has substantial amounts of perchlorate making it hostile to life."
The idea that there is or could be water on Mars has been around for centuries, see this Wikipedia page. Based on the data collected from satellites and ground based telescopic observations, several science papers and news articles that report some degree of evidence that supports the ‘Water on Mars’ theory were published decades before Meier wrote about it in 1976. Even the spacecraft Mariner 9 that reached Mars in 1971, 5 years before Meier "predicted," has 'spotted evidence of flowing water sometime in the ancient past,' which led to intense speculations that there could still be water on Mars today. Given this context, it is totally natural to expect water on Mars. It would only be extraordinary if Meier at that time were to say that there would be no water on Mars that later turns to be true (which it didn't).
Also predicting that Mars has much more water than imagined by scientists is like predicting - scientists would find more number of stars and galaxies exist in the universe than they imagined. Extremely vague.
MH says that Meier’s prediction of Mars harboring micro-organisms has been fulfilled. If it would have been found, it would be the greatest discovery ever and the whole world would go frenzy. But no such discovery was ever announced. Wonder what news is MH reading?
MH claims that the discovery of perchlorates that is detrimental to life in Martian soil corroborates Meier's prediction. But Meier never predicted that ‘perchlorates’ would ever be found in Martian soil. All he said (in CR 60, 1976) was that – ‘there are also surprises in the character of the ground and the nature of the microworld’ – which can’t be anymore vague than that. He also said that ‘faunic and floric forms of life are existing on mars, even though this planet destroys other forms of life by its contrary to life nature.’ So he essentially says that Mars environment provides only for some forms of life to survive and not every life. First, no life was ever detected or predicted with high likelihood by scientists ever on Mars because from the observations made through telescopes and orbiters, it has become clear that Mars is not in anyway similar to Earth regarding habitability. And second, isn't it how life generally evolves? Only species that can make it in the given environment survives. If the environment is not conducive, then no life would ever be produced.
For additional analysis, see BMFURO/CR 60.
Mercury:
After Mars, MH cites the so-called corroboration on planet Mercury. He says:
"But you go back to 1976 again and Meier asks why does the surface of planet Mercury contract- a specific scientific question pretty unusual for a so-called Swiss farmer in 1976 and the alleged ET woman says - because of the core of the planet. It may have been easy to her but it took 32 years until NASA 'discovered it.'"
I have already shown on my website BMUFOR/CR 66 that this fact has already been known 2 years before Meier predicted it.
When MH was reciting this, Stan interrupted him and pointed to him what I have earlier pointed to Stan, which is that this information was already known before - which led MH quickly jump to a few other supposed corroborations.
Jupiter moon, Io:
MH says the following based on the information in the 115th contact report that supposedly occurred on October 19, 1978:
"Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system. It's ejecta composed largely of ionized sulfur dust particles. It is a matter of projection of these particles up into the atmosphere, those that don't escape the moon result in covering the moon of Io in a very smooth surface. He described the speed of that."
On BMUFOR/CR 115, we have already documented rebuttals by the skeptical organization IIG and Stuart Robbins of Pseudoastronomy, that reveals that all of the above information has already been known several months before Meier supposedly predicted them. IIG even has shown that Meier's information on the speed and height of Io's volcanic plumes is erroneous.
Europa:
MH also says the following based on the information from 115th contact, Oct 19, 1978:
"He described that Europa was encrusted in ice."
The exact sentence that Meier spoke in CR 115 is this - "If I remember correctly, you both told me; I don’t know any more whether you or Ptaah, that the moon Io is exactly the large opposite to the moon Europa, that namely there on the moon Europa, the masses of water had not evaporated and changed but have frozen into a gigantic armour of ice."
The fact that Europa is made of ice is already known at least since 1957. This 1973 science paper - Infrared Spectra of the Galilean Satellites of Jupiter - lists all relevant studies made on Europa's ice since 1957. Moreover Meier is incorrect if he means that the entire moon has frozen into ice. Because the scientific consensus for quite a long time is that there is strong evidence for a deep global ocean beneath Europa's icy crust, which Meier/Plejaren strangely never mentioned.
Neptune rings:
MH further said the following based on the information from CR 182, Feb 3, 1983:
"He also described that Neptune had rings."
In CR 182, Meier mentions that a ring exists around Neptune just like all the giant planets of the solar system. Even though scientists after the discovery of rings around Uranus in 1977 were specifically looking for rings around Neptune, have only finally confirmed its existence around Neptune in 1989.
But the obvious next question is - Did Meier first publish this before 1989?
As it turns out, based on the analysis I long ago presented at BMUFOR/CR 182, Meier only published this for the first time in 1993 in a book ‘Existentes Lebens Im Universum’ on pgs. 94-95.
Even though I have made MH aware of all of the above irrefutable facts, he chose to ignore them and is still trying to mislead people by claiming (at 19:12 min.) that - "..all of this was published before the Voyager got there, verifiably."
Sulfur ring around Jupiter:
MH at 19:20 min. (Part 1) says the following after presenting the above "scientifically accurate" prophetic information:
"The skeptics at CFI-west/IIG tried to debunk this and they ended up corroborating it because they also show that one of the facts in there about a torus of Jupiter being composed of sulfur ions was not known until over a year after NASA had corroborated Meier's original stuff. We have this stuff. This is why the skeptics try to say - oh it was known - but they leave out something else."
What MH is pointing to regarding skeptics ended up corroborating Meier stuff is that IIG have cited a March 12, 1979 article that talks about a ring around Jupiter, which according to MH was 3 days after Wendelle Stevens was given this information by Meier on March 9. But MH, even after being made aware of the rebuttal provided by Stuart Robbins on the fact that this information was already known as far as in 1977, has deliberately chose to ignore it. For more on this, see BMUFOR/CR 115.
Atom bomb-Ozone link:
At around 27 min. (Part 1), MH talks about a "new discovery" on the link between Atom bomb explosions and ozone layer depletion supposedly made for the first time in 1988. However we have many times earlier have shown on BMUFOR/CR 7 that this information was already known in 1974, a year before Meier supposedly predicted it in 1975.
1958 and 1987 prophecies:
MH, in Part 2 at around 10:50 min., cites the following prophecies supposedly published by Meier in 1958 and 1987 as being fulfilled.
1958 - Two Iraq wars by father and son US presidents, AIDS, fanatical islamicists bloody revenge
NSA-Microsoft:
At around 37 min. in Part 2, MH says the following:
"About NSA and all, I published it on my website before Snowden did. Meier and Plejaren explained the whole thing about NSA, Microsoft, the computers, 2 years before Snowden did. Again! it’s been up there, its dated and all that."
Here MH is referring to the information published by Meier in CR 440 (Jan 15, 2007). The fact of the matter is that this claim that NSA had backdoor access to Microsoft has already been made since 1997, a decade before Meier "predicted" it.
Whenever skeptics point out that the prophecies or predictions, which Meier, FIGU and MH has been promoting as being fulfilled, are in fact have already been known or occurred before, the usual tactic of MH is to claim that since Meier is living in some rural part of Switzerland he can't have access to scientific literature from which he would have copied as has been suggested. He played the same card with SF at 19:50 min. (Part 1), where he says the following:
"I want to acknowledge something. It doesn't mean that Meier is always the first person to know something. But there are people that theorized. But Meier never had nor could he ever had access to the theoretical obscure stuff that was published in a paper in a University without the internet, without search engine."
SF, at around 21:30 min. immediately responded by saying that there has been several people/followers around Meier since the beginning, who would have passed on the scientific information, to Meier, which they have access to. SF raised a very important and legitimate question, which rarely has been raised by the radio show hosts who interviews MH. As it turns out, the evidence (see below) I presented extensively on my website, beyond reasonable doubt indicates that Meier has unlimited of access to any kind of scientific information, even the most "obscure" stuff, as MH loves to call it.
Towards the end of the show (Part 2, 43:00 min.) SF, after listening to MH's claims on "fulfilled" predictions, has concluded his part of the interview by saying:
"I am not satisfied that’s completely true Michael! Look, I have been getting a lot of stuff. People sending me stuff. And I am not at all satisfied about all this prediction stuff. You seem to be totally satisfied. Billy has never said anything that wasn’t true, I guess, you feel."
To which MH responded as follows:
"I don’t ever find that he lied, not to me and not anywhere in the material. A man after 60 something years of publishing material, he has never told a lie. We got cynics and skeptics, who want to tell you that he published things afterwards but they can’t figure out how it would have been possible for him to go back into every piece of paper disseminated throughout Europe and US and start to backdate it, before the internet. This is why these people are traitors to humanity. They sow seeds of ridiculous doubt and then when you look into it you would go - he couldn’t have done it. I mean, we have the copyrights, we got the documents. We can prove it."
MH, on this same topic, has earlier responded (23:47 min. of Part 1) as follows:
"What most people don't know is that a lot of what we refer to as the prophetic accurate information is included in conversations in sequentially numbered contacts, if you will, that now number over 620."
What MH is saying is that the SF's implication that Meier may have backdated information - inserting or editing information in old contact reports - is simply impossible because Meier has sequentially numbered each sentence published in his contact reports. So if Meier had deceitfully inserted any new stuff, one could easily trace it out by comparing that document with the older ones. So MH concludes that SF's implication 'isn't been substantiated by the facts' (24:45 min., Part 1).
Are the facts really so, as mentioned by MH?
Has there not been even one example of this form of seeming fraud where the predictions have been deceptively added in contact reports, there by giving them different verse/sentence numbers?
As it turns out, the facts are exactly opposite to what MH has been claiming for so long. As a matter of fact, we have documented dozens and dozens of such examples where new information with different verse numbers has been added. We in fact discovered that nearly 6,000 verses/sentences have been newly added in latest edition of contact notes, which are totally missing from the older editions.
As an example lets not go any further than MH's own website and his own claim of a fulfilled prediction - the 5,100 year old Iceman. The basic story behind this corroboration article is that MH claims that Meier has predicted (CR 239, 1991) the real cause of death - ARROW hit in the back - of a some 5,000 year old Iceman buried in Alps mountains, nearly a decade or at least 5 years before scientists discovered it in the year 2001. As evidence, MH cites the following verse spoken by the alleged ET Ptaah:
Ptaah:
574. His death happened at that time in such a way that he fell caused by an epileptic fit –and was severely injured by one of his own arrows when he fell on his back, just at the moment when a primeval ice storm started.
So according to MH, if we were to open the older edition(s), we would find this same unaltered information. But as it turns out, it has been fabricated. The above reference is from the 3rd edition contact notes Plejadisch-Plejarische Kontaktberichte 6 published in 2006 and also from the 2nd edition contact notes Semjase-Kontakt-Berichte volume 13, 2nd reprint published after 2001. Now, the following information is from older 2nd edition contact notes Semjase-Kontakt-Berichte volume 13, 1st print originally published in 1996:
Ptaah:
573. His death happened at that time in such a way that he fell caused by an epileptic fit, just at the moment when a primeval ice storm started.
As you can see 'ARROW' cause has been newly added after it was discovered by scientists in 2001. This is just one example among many. Even though MH and FIGU have been made aware of this information in 2014, they still continue to claim the James Randi's $1,000,000 paranormal challenge because of Meier's "successful" prediction on the 5,100 year old iceman. More information on this sequentially numbered contacts, available on this page.
Following are scans, containing 31 pictures are from
Plejadisch-Plejarische Kontaktberichte volumes 1 and 2.
On my website BMUFOR/Photos and videos, we have analysed nearly 20 of these pictures and found all of them to be images taken from NASA documentaries, illustrations, movies, TV shows, etc.
2.2 Beamship photos
MH at around 37:30 min. (Part 1) claims that Meier's beamships photos have never been shown to be fakes. But organizations like Ground Saucer Watch (GSW), ICUFON (Intercontinental UFO Galactic Spacecraft Research and Analytic Network) and others reportedly have found evidence of hoax.
Even Wendelle himself found that a couple of Meier photos (see above), where Meier's group members can be seen in the foreground with the UFO in the background, are double exposures. What is Meier's excuse? He claims that Semjase has accidentally damaged those photos by sending radiation from her mind. See UFO Contact from the Pleiades - A Supplimentary Investigation Report, pgs. 84-88, 1982. And of course the WCUFO.
2.3 Pendulum UFO
Around 52:50 min. (Part 1), MH claims that Rhal Zahi has concluded that beamship video where it moves around a supposed large fir tree in the distance in pendulum fashion to be a large object (in the order several meters), just as specified by Meier. MH further claimed that Rhal Zahi also proved that this craft existed in two places in one same frame(s).
As it turns out, filmmaker and researcher Daniel Drasin has already refuted Rhal Zahi's pseduo-arguments on beamship being in two places in one frame, which of course would never be mentioned by MH. Drasin has claimed that there is strong evidence that this film has been tampered by splicing and joining. Also, lets not forget that the video which Rhal Zahi analyzed is of very poor quality and is not original but several generations away which means that any evidence of hoax can in theory be erased. Also important is Bruce Maccabbe's extensive analysis done on this pendulum beamship video, where he concludes that a small model the size of a foot likely has been used by Meier. Also look into Phil Langdon's work on this video.
MH at around 55:45 min. (part 1) has claimed that it took many times for Phil Langdon to recreate Meier's photos while Meier only took his photos once. How does MH know that Meier only took the photos once? In fact nobody is sure that Meier took all the photos and videos only once. No one has ever seen him live taking photos and developing the same. The hoax theory, that has good supporting evidence, suggests that Meier along with his accomplices may have staged his shots several times on location and used dark room equipment to erase any signs of fraud. Meier then would claim a completely different date for his photo and video sessions and publish only copies that are several generations away from the originals, so no amount of analysis can detect any signs of fraud - which is exactly what has happened with the Lee Elders-Wendelle Stevens investigation.
1. Prophecies and Predictions
Around 10 min. into Part 1 of the interview, SF (with a little help from me) points to MH about the fact that the original documents of so-called predictions doesn't exist and also that many of them have only been published after the events occurred. MH, then in response, points to the specific information that can be verifiably published by Meier on planets Mars and Mercury.
Mars:
On planet Mars, MH at 16:50 min. says (verbatim) about Meier's prediction made in 1976 (contact report 60) that:
"..scientists will discover that there is more water on Mars than they even can imagine; there are small fauna and flora life forms and the environment is hostile to life - 1976. We then in 2008 discovered why there is water, subsequently we discovered there is more water than thought. We discovered microorganisms and we discovered that the soil there has substantial amounts of perchlorate making it hostile to life."
The idea that there is or could be water on Mars has been around for centuries, see this Wikipedia page. Based on the data collected from satellites and ground based telescopic observations, several science papers and news articles that report some degree of evidence that supports the ‘Water on Mars’ theory were published decades before Meier wrote about it in 1976. Even the spacecraft Mariner 9 that reached Mars in 1971, 5 years before Meier "predicted," has 'spotted evidence of flowing water sometime in the ancient past,' which led to intense speculations that there could still be water on Mars today. Given this context, it is totally natural to expect water on Mars. It would only be extraordinary if Meier at that time were to say that there would be no water on Mars that later turns to be true (which it didn't).
Also predicting that Mars has much more water than imagined by scientists is like predicting - scientists would find more number of stars and galaxies exist in the universe than they imagined. Extremely vague.
MH says that Meier’s prediction of Mars harboring micro-organisms has been fulfilled. If it would have been found, it would be the greatest discovery ever and the whole world would go frenzy. But no such discovery was ever announced. Wonder what news is MH reading?
MH claims that the discovery of perchlorates that is detrimental to life in Martian soil corroborates Meier's prediction. But Meier never predicted that ‘perchlorates’ would ever be found in Martian soil. All he said (in CR 60, 1976) was that – ‘there are also surprises in the character of the ground and the nature of the microworld’ – which can’t be anymore vague than that. He also said that ‘faunic and floric forms of life are existing on mars, even though this planet destroys other forms of life by its contrary to life nature.’ So he essentially says that Mars environment provides only for some forms of life to survive and not every life. First, no life was ever detected or predicted with high likelihood by scientists ever on Mars because from the observations made through telescopes and orbiters, it has become clear that Mars is not in anyway similar to Earth regarding habitability. And second, isn't it how life generally evolves? Only species that can make it in the given environment survives. If the environment is not conducive, then no life would ever be produced.
For additional analysis, see BMFURO/CR 60.
Mercury:
After Mars, MH cites the so-called corroboration on planet Mercury. He says:
"But you go back to 1976 again and Meier asks why does the surface of planet Mercury contract- a specific scientific question pretty unusual for a so-called Swiss farmer in 1976 and the alleged ET woman says - because of the core of the planet. It may have been easy to her but it took 32 years until NASA 'discovered it.'"
I have already shown on my website BMUFOR/CR 66 that this fact has already been known 2 years before Meier predicted it.
When MH was reciting this, Stan interrupted him and pointed to him what I have earlier pointed to Stan, which is that this information was already known before - which led MH quickly jump to a few other supposed corroborations.
Jupiter moon, Io:
MH says the following based on the information in the 115th contact report that supposedly occurred on October 19, 1978:
"Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system. It's ejecta composed largely of ionized sulfur dust particles. It is a matter of projection of these particles up into the atmosphere, those that don't escape the moon result in covering the moon of Io in a very smooth surface. He described the speed of that."
On BMUFOR/CR 115, we have already documented rebuttals by the skeptical organization IIG and Stuart Robbins of Pseudoastronomy, that reveals that all of the above information has already been known several months before Meier supposedly predicted them. IIG even has shown that Meier's information on the speed and height of Io's volcanic plumes is erroneous.
Europa:
MH also says the following based on the information from 115th contact, Oct 19, 1978:
"He described that Europa was encrusted in ice."
The exact sentence that Meier spoke in CR 115 is this - "If I remember correctly, you both told me; I don’t know any more whether you or Ptaah, that the moon Io is exactly the large opposite to the moon Europa, that namely there on the moon Europa, the masses of water had not evaporated and changed but have frozen into a gigantic armour of ice."
The fact that Europa is made of ice is already known at least since 1957. This 1973 science paper - Infrared Spectra of the Galilean Satellites of Jupiter - lists all relevant studies made on Europa's ice since 1957. Moreover Meier is incorrect if he means that the entire moon has frozen into ice. Because the scientific consensus for quite a long time is that there is strong evidence for a deep global ocean beneath Europa's icy crust, which Meier/Plejaren strangely never mentioned.
Neptune rings:
MH further said the following based on the information from CR 182, Feb 3, 1983:
"He also described that Neptune had rings."
In CR 182, Meier mentions that a ring exists around Neptune just like all the giant planets of the solar system. Even though scientists after the discovery of rings around Uranus in 1977 were specifically looking for rings around Neptune, have only finally confirmed its existence around Neptune in 1989.
But the obvious next question is - Did Meier first publish this before 1989?
As it turns out, based on the analysis I long ago presented at BMUFOR/CR 182, Meier only published this for the first time in 1993 in a book ‘Existentes Lebens Im Universum’ on pgs. 94-95.
Even though I have made MH aware of all of the above irrefutable facts, he chose to ignore them and is still trying to mislead people by claiming (at 19:12 min.) that - "..all of this was published before the Voyager got there, verifiably."
Sulfur ring around Jupiter:
MH at 19:20 min. (Part 1) says the following after presenting the above "scientifically accurate" prophetic information:
"The skeptics at CFI-west/IIG tried to debunk this and they ended up corroborating it because they also show that one of the facts in there about a torus of Jupiter being composed of sulfur ions was not known until over a year after NASA had corroborated Meier's original stuff. We have this stuff. This is why the skeptics try to say - oh it was known - but they leave out something else."
What MH is pointing to regarding skeptics ended up corroborating Meier stuff is that IIG have cited a March 12, 1979 article that talks about a ring around Jupiter, which according to MH was 3 days after Wendelle Stevens was given this information by Meier on March 9. But MH, even after being made aware of the rebuttal provided by Stuart Robbins on the fact that this information was already known as far as in 1977, has deliberately chose to ignore it. For more on this, see BMUFOR/CR 115.
Atom bomb-Ozone link:
At around 27 min. (Part 1), MH talks about a "new discovery" on the link between Atom bomb explosions and ozone layer depletion supposedly made for the first time in 1988. However we have many times earlier have shown on BMUFOR/CR 7 that this information was already known in 1974, a year before Meier supposedly predicted it in 1975.
1958 and 1987 prophecies:
MH, in Part 2 at around 10:50 min., cites the following prophecies supposedly published by Meier in 1958 and 1987 as being fulfilled.
1958 - Two Iraq wars by father and son US presidents, AIDS, fanatical islamicists bloody revenge
1987 - destruction of WTC, rise of fanatics of islam and their illegal immigration to
Europe
However, he doesn't mention the fact that most of these were only published long after the events occurred in 2002 and 2005 respectively. And regarding the prediction of radical islamicists overtaking Europe and illegal migration, we have already addressed that nonsense here.
However, he doesn't mention the fact that most of these were only published long after the events occurred in 2002 and 2005 respectively. And regarding the prediction of radical islamicists overtaking Europe and illegal migration, we have already addressed that nonsense here.
NSA-Microsoft:
At around 37 min. in Part 2, MH says the following:
"About NSA and all, I published it on my website before Snowden did. Meier and Plejaren explained the whole thing about NSA, Microsoft, the computers, 2 years before Snowden did. Again! it’s been up there, its dated and all that."
Here MH is referring to the information published by Meier in CR 440 (Jan 15, 2007). The fact of the matter is that this claim that NSA had backdoor access to Microsoft has already been made since 1997, a decade before Meier "predicted" it.
1.1 Meier has unlimited access to scientific information
Whenever skeptics point out that the prophecies or predictions, which Meier, FIGU and MH has been promoting as being fulfilled, are in fact have already been known or occurred before, the usual tactic of MH is to claim that since Meier is living in some rural part of Switzerland he can't have access to scientific literature from which he would have copied as has been suggested. He played the same card with SF at 19:50 min. (Part 1), where he says the following:
"I want to acknowledge something. It doesn't mean that Meier is always the first person to know something. But there are people that theorized. But Meier never had nor could he ever had access to the theoretical obscure stuff that was published in a paper in a University without the internet, without search engine."
SF, at around 21:30 min. immediately responded by saying that there has been several people/followers around Meier since the beginning, who would have passed on the scientific information, to Meier, which they have access to. SF raised a very important and legitimate question, which rarely has been raised by the radio show hosts who interviews MH. As it turns out, the evidence (see below) I presented extensively on my website, beyond reasonable doubt indicates that Meier has unlimited of access to any kind of scientific information, even the most "obscure" stuff, as MH loves to call it.
- Meier himself states (verbatim) that he has been 'learning constantly through professional books, professional articles in newspapers and magazines, as well as through professional television broadcasts.'
- Meier and his group has been frequently visiting at least a nearby book store and has been purchasing several books related to 'space, science, history, photography, astronomy,.. .'
1.2 Sequentially numbered contacts
Towards the end of the show (Part 2, 43:00 min.) SF, after listening to MH's claims on "fulfilled" predictions, has concluded his part of the interview by saying:
"I am not satisfied that’s completely true Michael! Look, I have been getting a lot of stuff. People sending me stuff. And I am not at all satisfied about all this prediction stuff. You seem to be totally satisfied. Billy has never said anything that wasn’t true, I guess, you feel."
To which MH responded as follows:
"I don’t ever find that he lied, not to me and not anywhere in the material. A man after 60 something years of publishing material, he has never told a lie. We got cynics and skeptics, who want to tell you that he published things afterwards but they can’t figure out how it would have been possible for him to go back into every piece of paper disseminated throughout Europe and US and start to backdate it, before the internet. This is why these people are traitors to humanity. They sow seeds of ridiculous doubt and then when you look into it you would go - he couldn’t have done it. I mean, we have the copyrights, we got the documents. We can prove it."
MH, on this same topic, has earlier responded (23:47 min. of Part 1) as follows:
"What most people don't know is that a lot of what we refer to as the prophetic accurate information is included in conversations in sequentially numbered contacts, if you will, that now number over 620."
What MH is saying is that the SF's implication that Meier may have backdated information - inserting or editing information in old contact reports - is simply impossible because Meier has sequentially numbered each sentence published in his contact reports. So if Meier had deceitfully inserted any new stuff, one could easily trace it out by comparing that document with the older ones. So MH concludes that SF's implication 'isn't been substantiated by the facts' (24:45 min., Part 1).
Are the facts really so, as mentioned by MH?
Has there not been even one example of this form of seeming fraud where the predictions have been deceptively added in contact reports, there by giving them different verse/sentence numbers?
As it turns out, the facts are exactly opposite to what MH has been claiming for so long. As a matter of fact, we have documented dozens and dozens of such examples where new information with different verse numbers has been added. We in fact discovered that nearly 6,000 verses/sentences have been newly added in latest edition of contact notes, which are totally missing from the older editions.
As an example lets not go any further than MH's own website and his own claim of a fulfilled prediction - the 5,100 year old Iceman. The basic story behind this corroboration article is that MH claims that Meier has predicted (CR 239, 1991) the real cause of death - ARROW hit in the back - of a some 5,000 year old Iceman buried in Alps mountains, nearly a decade or at least 5 years before scientists discovered it in the year 2001. As evidence, MH cites the following verse spoken by the alleged ET Ptaah:
Ptaah:
574. His death happened at that time in such a way that he fell caused by an epileptic fit –and was severely injured by one of his own arrows when he fell on his back, just at the moment when a primeval ice storm started.
So according to MH, if we were to open the older edition(s), we would find this same unaltered information. But as it turns out, it has been fabricated. The above reference is from the 3rd edition contact notes Plejadisch-Plejarische Kontaktberichte 6 published in 2006 and also from the 2nd edition contact notes Semjase-Kontakt-Berichte volume 13, 2nd reprint published after 2001. Now, the following information is from older 2nd edition contact notes Semjase-Kontakt-Berichte volume 13, 1st print originally published in 1996:
Ptaah:
573. His death happened at that time in such a way that he fell caused by an epileptic fit, just at the moment when a primeval ice storm started.
As you can see 'ARROW' cause has been newly added after it was discovered by scientists in 2001. This is just one example among many. Even though MH and FIGU have been made aware of this information in 2014, they still continue to claim the James Randi's $1,000,000 paranormal challenge because of Meier's "successful" prediction on the 5,100 year old iceman. More information on this sequentially numbered contacts, available on this page.
2. Photos
2.1 Space and Time travel pictures
In response to SF's claim made at around 34 min. (Part 1) that a lot of Meier's pictures turned out to be images from NASA and other sources, MH responded by saying that Plejaren/Meier have already stated in 1978 that these photos have been manipulated by third parties and should no longer be considered as Meier's originals.
First, neither Meier nor Plejaren has ever claimed that in 1978. If MH argues otherwise, he better provide evidence of that documentation. I am most certain, he can't. Second, MH is deliberately lying and trying to suppress the obvious fact that nearly 40 pictures from Meier's purported deep space journey has been and still are being published TODAY in the FIGU co-founder and Core Group member Guido Moosbrugger's book Und sie fliegen doch!/And still they fly (1991, 2001, 2004, 2012) and also in the 3rd edition contact notes Plejadisch-Plejarische Kontaktberichte volumes 1 and 2, originally published in 2002 and 2003 respectively. These photos are likewise available for sale.
What is so special about these photos is that Meier, in 2005, has claimed that these photos have been verified and authenticated by the Plejaren ET Ptaah to be unfalsified and genuine. Of course, MH never mentions this fact ever as this would make him lose both his and Meier's credibility instantly.
Following are the scans of pages from Und sie fleigen doch! book showing 8 Meier pictures, which were defended by Guido in the book as genuine.
What is so special about these photos is that Meier, in 2005, has claimed that these photos have been verified and authenticated by the Plejaren ET Ptaah to be unfalsified and genuine. Of course, MH never mentions this fact ever as this would make him lose both his and Meier's credibility instantly.
Following are the scans of pages from Und sie fleigen doch! book showing 8 Meier pictures, which were defended by Guido in the book as genuine.
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Und sie fliegen doch! (2012) - photos 67-69 |
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Und sie fliegen doch! (2012) - photos 70-73 |
On my website BMUFOR/Photos and videos, we have analysed nearly 20 of these pictures and found all of them to be images taken from NASA documentaries, illustrations, movies, TV shows, etc.
2.2 Beamship photos
MH at around 37:30 min. (Part 1) claims that Meier's beamships photos have never been shown to be fakes. But organizations like Ground Saucer Watch (GSW), ICUFON (Intercontinental UFO Galactic Spacecraft Research and Analytic Network) and others reportedly have found evidence of hoax.
Even Wendelle himself found that a couple of Meier photos (see above), where Meier's group members can be seen in the foreground with the UFO in the background, are double exposures. What is Meier's excuse? He claims that Semjase has accidentally damaged those photos by sending radiation from her mind. See UFO Contact from the Pleiades - A Supplimentary Investigation Report, pgs. 84-88, 1982. And of course the WCUFO.
2.3 Pendulum UFO
Around 52:50 min. (Part 1), MH claims that Rhal Zahi has concluded that beamship video where it moves around a supposed large fir tree in the distance in pendulum fashion to be a large object (in the order several meters), just as specified by Meier. MH further claimed that Rhal Zahi also proved that this craft existed in two places in one same frame(s).
As it turns out, filmmaker and researcher Daniel Drasin has already refuted Rhal Zahi's pseduo-arguments on beamship being in two places in one frame, which of course would never be mentioned by MH. Drasin has claimed that there is strong evidence that this film has been tampered by splicing and joining. Also, lets not forget that the video which Rhal Zahi analyzed is of very poor quality and is not original but several generations away which means that any evidence of hoax can in theory be erased. Also important is Bruce Maccabbe's extensive analysis done on this pendulum beamship video, where he concludes that a small model the size of a foot likely has been used by Meier. Also look into Phil Langdon's work on this video.
MH at around 55:45 min. (part 1) has claimed that it took many times for Phil Langdon to recreate Meier's photos while Meier only took his photos once. How does MH know that Meier only took the photos once? In fact nobody is sure that Meier took all the photos and videos only once. No one has ever seen him live taking photos and developing the same. The hoax theory, that has good supporting evidence, suggests that Meier along with his accomplices may have staged his shots several times on location and used dark room equipment to erase any signs of fraud. Meier then would claim a completely different date for his photo and video sessions and publish only copies that are several generations away from the originals, so no amount of analysis can detect any signs of fraud - which is exactly what has happened with the Lee Elders-Wendelle Stevens investigation.
Friday, September 18, 2015
Die Reporter (Pro7 TV, May 27, 1999): German UFO researcher deconstructs Billy Meier's WCUFO and Asket-Nera photos
Watch: youtube/TheBillyMeierUFOCase
While watching the segment on WCUFO in the video, one may notice an interesting finding. A flower-pot dish was shown close to the camera @ 6:25 min! What about it?
The background story is that Michael Horn several years ago has published an article - Looking Closer and Deeper at the WCUFO - where he states that the "analysis" conducted by a Billy Meier supporter named Dyson Device (from Australia) debunks the skeptics argument that the Wedding Cake UFO (or WCUFO in short) is just a small scale model made from garbage can lid, adjustable bookshelf pins, pressure cooker lid, christmas ornaments like metallic spheres and several other easily available household items as listed here.(Later in the article he states that no one has ever tried to duplicate Meier's WCUFO images. It seems this article must have been published before Phil Langdon proved the above Michael Horn's claim wrong.)
In that article, Dyson Devine makes the following three arguments and conclude that the flower-pot dish and the top part of Meier's WCUFO do not match, which according to him and Michael Horn, vindicates Meier of constructing a small scale model:
- By doing a side-by-side comparison of the two images, the item on the top of the WCUFO is shown to have different proportions relative to the flower pot dish.
- The number of "star-fish" motifs in any single column on the top item of the WCUFO is 5, while the number is 4 for the flower-pot dish.
- The number of "star-fish" columns between two fixed points on WCUFO is more than the number of columns on a flower-pot dish.
'Close, but no cigar. This is very very typical of the whole of the Plejaren ET enlightenment methodology. They deliberately fool the vast majority in order to protect their psyches from the potentially devastating (only for them!) truth about the REAL extraterrestrial presence, and supply more than ample substantiating evidence for the tiny minority who look just a LITTLE deeper into things.'
'It is a valuable lesson in the need for thoroughness and thinking for oneself, as well as providing the required controversy. Very wise/loving, these Plejaren, and not without a certain appealing sense of humour.'
The idea that the only way the Plejaren have come up in order to demonstrate reasonable proof of their existence for the vast majority of the earth people is by deliberately discrediting themselves - is beyond ridiculous and seems to be the last resort for the believers to reconcile with the dubious and negative evidence. This contrived theory is even being strongly opposed by none other than Meier himself.
Posted by Michael_d on FIGU forum, October 30, 2006:
Hello Billy,
The concept of plausible deniability is often mentioned with your contact case as a rationalization for the Plejarans intentionally lying and obfuscating the truth. J.W. Deardorff, author of Celestial Teachings: The Emergence of the True Testament of Jmmanuel, has published a short paper on this topic at www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm. The reason given for the Plejarans lying is that it serves to intentionally weaken your contact case so that it is not completely air-tight or irrefutable, like ET’s landing on the White House lawn. The purported benefit of plausible deniability is to give refuge to the illogical and weak-minded people that are not equipped to accept the validity of your contact case based on its preponderance of evidence. Other reasons given for lying is that it prevents the Plejarans from being looked upon as gods, or you from being considered a spiritual guru, because who would trust a liar.
Here is my only question:
Do you or the Plejarans lie and obfuscate the truth to maintain this alibi of plausible deniability?
Thank you.
Answer
The Plejaren never lied but always spoke about that which they know/knew or thought to be true. If it turned out that what they had looked upon as true, but later turned out to be different etc., they were correcting themselves.
They did not always explain everything they know, but only disclosed parts of information.
On other instances they just answered the questions, but since the questions weren’t precise, they were able to withhold information, etc. etc.
Posted by Mahigitam on FIGU forum, March 23, 2014:
Dear Billy,
Retired Professor James Deardorff has proposed a theory which you may already know, its called as "Leaky Embargo Hypothesis". According to his hypothesis, advanced ethical ETs would not reveal their existence as it would create shock to lower civilizations from sudden disclosures. So these ETs like Plejaren would select a contactee on a planet and through him pass on the message to the people who are ready or interested.As a part of this strategy, Deardorff seems to have stated the "negative" aspects of the case like - missing original negatives, films, slides, outerspace photos, Asket-Nera issue, letting MIB, CIA,..etc manipulate or steal the original evidence, absence of & negative evidence of astronomical details(Malona, destroyer comet, origins of venus & moon, dark star in SOL system,..etc), Clear contradiction of values with scientific results, Cave men photos still being in PPKB,..etc - are purposefully introduced or let them to exist by Plejaren in order for people to spot these & give the chance to refuse the reality the case so that they can save them from the shock of ET existence.
I would like to know, if such a strategy(not necessarily related to the above details) was being used or has been used by Plejaren with or without your knowledge ?
p.s: Everything above may not be attributed to deardorff.
Answer
The „Leaky Embargo Hypothesis“ is pure nonsense. The Plejaren always informed openly and honestly, of course only within the limits of their directives. And when at some later time they learned that formerly given information turned out as being erroneous (due to a lack of certain knowledge on their side, etc.), they always corrected their former incomplete or false information. What can be stated with certainty: They never lied.
Furthermore, Meier along with the Plejaren have explicitly stated many dozens of times throughout the contact notes that they have provided enough evidence for open-minded persons and scientists to remove all of their doubts and come to the conclusion that Meier must be in contact with ETs.
For example see this information from Contact Report 130, Saturday, May 31, 1980, 2:18 AM:
Semjase:
(..)
233. This can only happen by my giving you opportunity to obtain such clear film and photo material that any doubt will be removed – even for the terrestrial scientists.
234. We have to hurry very much with all these things, however, because in America, the first steps have already been taken to analyze these falsified old films more closely, and the possibility exists that the artificial lines manipulated into them will be found, at least in those slides and parts of the film that exhibit these lines more distinctly.
235. For this reason, you will have to take new pictures as soon as possible, which leave nothing more to be desired in clarity of reality.
Want to guess what these 'new pictures' were that were supposed to remove 'any doubt..for the terrestrial scientists'?
They concern the pictures of Wedding cake UFO! And we all know how that turned out. See this and this link for more information on the deconstruction of Meier's WCUFO.
Now lets get back to the three main points put forth by Dyson Devine. The central premise of Dyson and Michael Horn's argument is that since the flower-pot dish is "demonstrated" to have been different in proportions relative to the WCUFO, then the Meier's WCUFO must be ET.
Even if we accept their premise as true, I don't see how that is going to prove the ET nature of the object. Why is it impossible for a different sized flower-pot dish with the star-fish design on it to exist, that matches the skeptics proposed measurement for the small scale model hypothesis? I don't see any reason for the flower-pot dishes with starfish designs not to come in different sizes. Perhaps Michael and Dyson can explain their exotic reasoning for us.
Now lets discuss the logic behind their three arguments.
1. By doing a side-by-side comparison of the two images, the item on the top of the WCUFO is shown to have different proportions relative to the flower pot dish.
Refer to Michael Horn's article on how Dyson approached the comparison test. The obvious question is how could he judge the potential differences of objects proportions in two images that are photographed from different distances (to the subject), camera settings, type of camera lens and perspectives. It is basic knowledge that all these factors would distort the shape of the object, which essentially makes any efforts for a legitimate comparison worthless.
When I have pointed the above objections to a professional photographer (who like to remain anonymous) with nearly 35 years of experience and who also has been studying the Meier case since 1977, has confirmed them and further stated the following :
"..yes of course, the distortions caused by magnifying lenses are a factor due to the fact that all lenses have some amount of what is called "barrel distortion" and that in order for an object to appear the same size on an image, the camera must be placed at different distances depending on the focal length. Therefore if you took a picture of the same object using a short and then a long focal length lens and adjusted the subject to lens distance so the object occupies the same space on the picture, the proportions of the object will change substantially.
A good demonstration of this is that longer focal length lenses are often referred to as "portrait" lenses because they tend to not cause disproportion effects on the face, whereas using a wide angle lens for portraits results in serious distortion where for example the nose will look substantially bigger than it is.
Here is a perfect example of how lens focal length causes changes in the proportions of the face:
http://jonhaverstickstudio.com
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OkQT
2. The number of "star-fish" motifs in any single column on the top item of the WCUFO is 5, while the number is 4 for the flower-pot dish.
The below image is a screenshot (at 6:25 min) from the 1999 TV segment, where the German UFO researcher Roger Eglin shows a flower-pot dish (that is different to the one on Michael Horn's website, likely taken form now-defunct Turkish website as mentioned here) along with 3 other different household objects that resembles the parts in Meier's WCUFO. One can see that there are 5 starfish in each column, just like the top part in Meier's WCUFO shown above.
3. The number of "star-fish" columns between two fixed points on WCUFO is more than the number of columns on a flower-pot dish.
While it is true that the number of starfish columns between any two fixed points (I calculated between the two indentations on the rim) is different between the flower-pot dish and WCUFO, it is most certainly possible that there do exist a flower-pot dish that have the same 5-row starfish design and also match the number of starfish columns between any two fixed points.
Monday, July 20, 2015
Billy Meier's Space and Time Travel Pictures - Real or Fake? (video)
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one comparison picture out of many from the video |
Below video is a compilation of ours and other researchers findings, after investigating some of Meier's space and time travel pictures originally documented here - http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/photos-and-videos/
Watch: youtube/Thebillymeierufocase
Monday, July 13, 2015
Kal Korff and Luc Bürgin interviews Billy Meier's ex-wife Kalliope (1998)
""For decades, the Swiss Billy Meier with his alien tales brought disrepute to credible UFO observers. His alleged ET Lady aka "Asket" proved to be a singer from the "Dean Martin Show," as the journalist Luc Bürgin and Kal Korff unveiled in 1998. The corresponding video evidence shows Billy's ex-wife Kalliope in front of the camera. Now these earlier TV recordings are finally available online.
Read more in the new MYSTERIES Magazine (www.mysteries-magazin.com) - the independent German kiosk magazine that reveals every two months what others conceal."
Note:
Our English subtitles (courtesy of Joachim Koch, Berlin, Germany) are based on the German subtitles that appear in the video. Some of these German subs that are attributed to Kalliope are just paraphrases of what she originally spoke in Swiss-German."
Watch: youtube/thebillymeierufocase-2
Friday, June 19, 2015
BMUFOR - Billy Meier's Outer Space Pictures: Asket, Nera and Semjase
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Photo #109, allegedly showing from left to right – Asket, Nera and Semjase (partly visible) |
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Photo #110 (image enhanced), allegedly showing Asket and a women on her left, not identified by Meier |
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Photo #111, allegedly showing, from left to right – Asket, Nera and Semjase (partly visible) |
During Meier’s Great Journey in space described in Contact Report 31, which took place from July 17-22, 1975*, he allegedly traveled through the Universal Barrier (or Tunnel) to a parallel or twin Universe called the DAL Universe in a Plejaren mother ship called the Great Spacer. Once in the DAL-universe, together with Semjase he transfers to the giant space ship of the people of one of Meier’s former contact persons from the DAL-universe, the extraterrestrial woman Asket. There, according to the excerpts from CR 31, Meier was allowed to take some photographs of the extraterrestrial women Asket, Nera and Semjase.
It is not clear on how many photographs Meier actually shot of Asket, Nera and Semjase, but he published only three photographs which are indexed as #109, #110 and #111 in his photo catalogue book – ‘Verzeichnis – der Nummern und Legenden der FIGU-Photos (1991/1999)‘. These photos became some of the most well known and controversial photos of the Meier case.
The above pictures #109, #110 and #111 of Asket, Nera and Semjase have been sold to the public by Meier/FIGU probably from around 1975 onwards. They have also been promoted and published numerous times in various newspapers, magazines, TV shows, etc. since 1976.
Did Meier really photograph the three ET women?
Read More: BMUFOR/Asket-Nera-Semjase
Monday, February 16, 2015
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Saturday, September 6, 2014
Magazin 2000 Plus (Nr. 132, Oct 1998) - 'Der Fall Meier: UFO-Kontaktler entlarvt?' Part 2 by Michael Hesemann




Source: James Deardorff's Collection (Jan 23, 2014)
Reference: Same article in German on FIGU Swiss website and in English on FOM website
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