In
Part 1,
Part 2 &
Part 3 of
this series, we have conclusively shown that some of the outer space pictures
(Apollo-Soyuz et al.) that were allegedly photographed by Meier during
his 5-day 'Great Space Journey' on July 17, 1975 are "forgeries" that have their
source in educational space documentaries from the USA &
USSR which were broadcasted around the world in 1960's & 70's.
In this part, we would like to UPDATE you on the following:
- James Deardorff's unpublished response to Kal Korff
- Billy Meier responds
- FIGU member Christian Frehner responds
(A) James Deardorff's unpublished response to Kal Korff:
In
Part 1, we have documented Kal Korff's analysis of the Apollo-Soyuz docking photos which he first published in his
1981 (again in
1995)
book. In 1988, retired Research Professor Emeritus (OSU), James W.
Deardorff wrote a review (unpublished, 20 pages) of Korff's 1981
book with the title -
Review of Korff's Report: "The Meier Incident -- The Most Infamous Hoax in Ufology".
On pages 9-10 of Mr. Deardorff' unpublished 1988 work, he responds to Korff on his 1981
analysis of Apollo-Soyuz docking photos:
"Regarding
Meier's reported 5-day trip during which he said Semjase permitted him
to photograph the Apollo-Soyuz link-up in 1975, one of Korff's
objections (p.28) is that the Soyuz spacecraft had straight solar panels
extending outward, not partially folded ones as in Meier's photo. This
information was said to have come from William Drews of NASA. However,
if one reads the Soviet account of this link-up25 one can see
from the main drawing that the Soyuz solar panels are pictured to have
been in a partially folded orientation, as in Meier's photo. The drawing
was made by one of the two astronauts who was on that flight: Alexei Leonov, who is also an amateur artist.
References*
25
Lebedev, L., and Romanov, A., Rendezvous in Space: Soyuz-Apollo
(Moscow: Progress Publishers (in English), 1979) p. 10."
* pages 19-20 of Mr. Deardorff's unpublished work
The
drawing of Soviet cosmonaut Alexei Leonov (along with the description),
which James Deardorff was referring to is available on
NASA website:

S75-25077 (May 1975) --- A photographic copy of a painting made by
cosmonaut Aleksey A. Leonov, commander of the Soviet ASTP first (prime)
crew. This symbolic artwork, representing a Soviet Soyuz spacecraft
docking in Earth orbit with an American Apollo spacecraft, was finished
in May 1974. The sketch for the painting was made in 1973 following the
signing of the space agreement between the United Stated and the Soviet
Union. Leonov said that his painting symbolizes the new type of
international cooperation of working together in space. The original
painting, which measures 80 centimeters by 160 centimeters (1 cm. = 0.39
in.), is on display in a museum in the city of Baku on the Caspian Sea.
In making the sketch for the painting Leonov used a model of an earlier
Soyuz spacecraft and a picture of an Apollo spacecraft. Later, he
obtained a model of an Apollo which helped him check the configuration
of the American spacecraft. The tanks on the Docking Module are no
longer exposed on the current DM configuration, he noted. Also, this
would not be an exact view of the sun as seen from Earth orbit. Leonov
took artist license in stressing the symbolism in his artwork. The Soyuz
is represented smaller in the painting than it actually is, Leonov
added.
There are obvious problems with Deardorff citing Leonov's 1973 artwork as counter-evidence to Korff's research. The problems are
1. Soyuz model:
Cosmonaut
Alexei Leonov whom Deardorff referred to, acknowledged himself (see
above photo description) that the model of Soyuz which he used for his
painting was an old model and not the "latest" one that went up in space
in July 1975. For older versions of Soyuz, please refer to
this,
this and
this website. We have also touched up on the differences between Meier's and real Soyuz spacecrafts in
Part 1 and
Part 2 of this series.
The above video - Apollo-Soyuz Test Project Facts, Part C
- contains the raw footage of Apollo-Soyuz docking from 1975. And from
that footage we can notice that the solar panels of Soyuz were straight and always stay
fully extended during the docking procedure.
3. Soyuz size:
Leonov
also acknowledged (see painting description) that the size of the Soyuz
in his painting is smaller than the one in reality.
4. Apollo DM:
Leonov
further noted that the configuration of Apollo's docking module (DM) which he painted is different to the real DM. Please refer to
Part 2 (search for the word 'tanks') on this subject.
All
of the above reasons clearly indicate that the Soviet Cosmonaut
Leonov's painting made in 1973/1974 is technically incorrect, as it was made before the final design was finished. And the
painting of Apollo-Soyuz docking was only made as a symbolic artwork to
illustrate the international cooperation of working together in space.
All
it takes for Deardorff, to acknowledge the results of Korff's analysis
and recognize that the Soyuz in Meier's pictures as not the real Soyuz
but from a NASA animation, is just to look at one, just one real NASA
photograph of a real Soyuz spacecraft. Perhaps he did or perhaps not;
but citing just one source, which in reality is only a "
symbolic artwork", seems to be a perfect example of
confirmation bias.
Note: James Deardorff towards the end of 1990's still stood by his reference to an artwork by Soviet cosmonaut Leonov. I am not sure, whether or not he has noticed his mistake in later years.
(B) Billy Meier responds:
After
uncovering the fake photos in Meier' collection which are also being
published in FIGU books as genuine; I shared my analysis with Billy
Meier and wanted to hear his response. Following are the questions (from
me) posed to Meier on the FIGU Forum and the corresponding answers (by
Meier, in green color).
Monday, August 25, 2014
Mahigitam
Billy,
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/9/9f/Apollo-soyuzX6.jpg
Are all the 6 different photos in the above illustration come from Apollo-Soyuz docking on July 17, 1975 ? Or do some photos in those six, not belong to Apollo-Soyuz docking ?
We don’t know because Billy is not in possession of the original slides/photos anymore.
(Note by CF*: And after so many years Billy does not remember the exact details.)
Tuesday, September 30, 2014
Mahigitam
Billy,
When
I recently looked into some of the Apollo-Soyuz pictures & others
that were published in Guido's 'Und sie fliegen doch!' & also in CR
31 (PPKB 1), I found that 11 outer space pictures are certainly
falsified and have been traced back to NASA animation (early 1970's),
Russian documentaries (1969 & 1972),..etc - all of which were
produced before your Great Journey in July 1975. Some pictures are of
spacecrafts that were not even in space during your Great Journey. For
example Salyut-1 in your photos was from a frame of a documentary made
in 1972 and the Soyuz 4-Soyuz 5 coupling photo was from a frame in a
documentary made in 1969.
CF* has already received a shortened
german version of my analysis and you may want to look into it, if you
haven't already seen it. Now, my questions are:
1. Would there
be any explanation (by you or/and Plejaren) on this discrepancy, just
like the explanations which were given in earlier times on similar
anamolies - Asket-Nera, Universal Barrier, WCUFO,..etc ?
2.
Would these pictures be removed entirely or would they be published
as-it-is which would give the obvious message that they are genuine ?
(Of course any of the above actions could only take place after you or
Plejaren analyse the pictures once again & confirm their source.)
If
possible, many are interested to know how this has even occurred when
Ptaah around 2002 strictly ensured that no fake pictures would enter
into PPKBs as this statement by Hans George Lanzendorfer from FIGU
special bulletin 20 clearly states:
"In the year 2001, Guido
was asked by “Billy” to make some of the photos available for
publication in the corrected Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Report
Block...For the publication in the Contact Report Block, it was strictly
ensured, with the help of Ptaah, that it only concerned “Billy’s”
genuine pictures or his pictures that were only slightly falsified by
Schmid, whereby the aforesaid falsification, for a logical reason, found
no use.”
There’s no need for a “correction”.
(Note by CF*: Actually, these pictures are not an important issue. They were used in the PP Block only as an illustration.)
Tuesday, October 28, 2014
Mahigitam
Dear Meier,
In
response to my question whether the faked Apollo-Soyuz pictures would
be removed entirely or would be published as-it-is which would give the
obvious message that they are genuine; you responded as follows:
"There’s no need for a “correction”.
(Note by CF: Actually, these pictures are not an important issue. They were used in the PP Block only as an illustration.)"
Why do you think there is no need for correction ?
Do you still consider these photos as authentic, photographed by you during your space journey ?
If not, why publish the pictures, faked by MIB in PPKBs as authentic ?
CF*,
these pictures were checked & authenticated by Ptaah. I still don't
understand what you meant by this: "They were used in the PP Block only
as an illustration."
If FIGU is fine with having faked
pictures in its publications, why did they remove the Venus, Jupiter,
Pterdactyl, Asket-Nera (captions changed),..etc ?
Why not just have them in photo albums & just say what you have just said ?
Billy’s comment: This is old hat.
* Christian Frehner
Conclusion #1:
The above Q/A suggests that Billy Meier either still thinks these pictures - which we have analysed in
Part 1,
Part 2 &
Part 3
and shown to be from NASA and Soviet space documentaries from 1960's
& 70's - are genuine or he doesn’t care anymore whether or not they are genuine as it can be noticed from his evasive responses to the questions pointing the obvious contradictions that have come up.
(C) FIGU member Christian Frehner responds:
Following is the correspondence between me and Christian Frehner, FIGU Core Group member and
SSSC Facility Director.
from: karumudi mahesh chowdary <mahigitam@gmail.com>
to: Christian Frehner/FIGU <christian.frehner@figu.org>
date: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:08 AM
subject: Billy's Q/A - Apollo-Soyuz pictures
Dear CF,
The following is the Q/A on english FIGU forum and your response. I am going to just focus on your response.
"Mahigitam
Billy,
When
I recently looked into some of the Apollo-Soyuz pictures & others
that were published in Guido's 'Und sie fliegen doch!' & also in CR
31 (PPKB 1), I found that 11 outer space pictures are certainly
falsified and have been traced back to NASA animation (early 1970's),
Russian documentaries (1969 & 1972),..etc - all of which were
produced before your Great Journey in July 1975. Some pictures are of
spacecrafts that were not even in space during your Great Journey. For
example Salyut-1 in your photos was from a frame of a documentary made
in 1972 and the Soyuz 4-Soyuz 5 coupling photo was from a frame in a
documentary made in 1969.
CF has already received a
shortened german version of my analysis and you may want to look into
it, if you haven't already seen it. Now, my questions are:
1.
Would there be any explanation (by you or/and Plejaren) on this
discrepancy, just like the explanations which were given in earlier
times on similar anamolies - Asket-Nera, Universal Barrier, WCUFO,..etc ?
2. Would these pictures be removed entirely or would
they be published as-it-is which would give the obvious message that
they are genuine ?
(Of course any of the above actions could only
take place after you or Plejaren analyse the pictures once again &
confirm their source.)
If possible, many are
interested to know how this has even occurred when Ptaah around 2002
strictly ensured that no fake pictures would enter into PPKBs as this
statement by Hans George Lanzendorfer from FIGU special bulletin 20
clearly states:
"In the year 2001, Guido was asked by
“Billy” to make some of the photos available for publication in the
corrected Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Report Block...For the publication
in the Contact Report Block, it was strictly ensured, with the help of
Ptaah, that it only concerned “Billy’s” genuine pictures or his pictures
that were only slightly falsified by Schmid, whereby the aforesaid
falsification, for a logical reason, found no use.”
There’s no need for a “correction”.
(Note by CF: Actually, these pictures are not an important issue. They were used in the PP Block only as an illustration.) "
CF,
these pictures were checked & authenticated by Ptaah. I didn't
understand what you meant by this: "They were used in the PP Block only
as an illustration."
Does this mean that you acknowledge them to be fakes ?
But
simple logic dictates that - some of the spacecrafts (Soyuz 4, Soyuz 5
and Salyut 1) were not even in space during July 1975. How can you use
them as Illustration when they don't even exist in space ?
Illustrating what exactly ?
Regards
Mahesh Karumudi
from: Christian Frehner/FIGU <christian.frehner@figu.org>
Hello Mahesh
See my answers below:
Am 28.10.2014 um 07:27 schrieb karumudi
mahesh chowdary:
Hello CF,
Of course I have read Meier's response which is: There’s
no need for a “correction”.
Which clearly skirted the main question, which is - does Meier
acknowledge that the Apollo-Soyuz outerspace pictures as fake or
not ?
If Meier acknowledges them as fakes made by MIB and yet
says there is no need for a "correction", then it raises
further ethical & logical questions, which I am not going
to raise here.
My specific question to you is not about Meier's response
but your own response. You said:
(Note
by CF: Actually, these pictures are not an important
issue. They were used in the PP Block only as an
illustration.)
Obviously a lot of contradictions raise from your response. Hope
you respond to all of them.
- These outer space pictures were checked &
authenticated by Ptaah (FIGU Special Bulletin 20, 2005) as
genuine pictures taken by Meier and not as illustrations.
How do you explain this ?
Ptaah said (PP Block 10, page 17: "These are only a few examples of
the genuine 42 pictures, at which only a few falsifying and not very
important changes were made." In other words: These are not the
original photos, but photos which look similar to the original ones.
They are still falsified photos.
Logically, falsified and/or altered photos cannot be the original
ones.
- If it is just used as illustration purposes, then why was
it not mentioned in the contact blocks that they were just
there for illustration ? Instead they give the clear message
that they were real pictures taken by Meier.
As you can read from my explanation above: Ptaah is stating that
these are a few examples of the 42 genuine photos, but which do not
correspond 100% with the original photos.
- Again illustrating
what exactly ? Simple
logic dictates that - some of the spacecrafts (Soyuz 4,
Soyuz 5 and Salyut 1) were not even in space during July
1975. How can you use them as Illustration when they don't
even exist in space ?
Since these photos were not published in the Semjase-Blocks (yellow
and brown editions), and since they are not 100% identical with the
original photos (according to Ptaah's statement), I look upon them
as illustrations. They cannot be taken as proof.
Regards,
Christian
from: karumudi mahesh chowdary <mahigitam@gmail.com>
Dear CF,
"1. Ptaah said (PP Block 10, page 17: "These are only a few examples of
the genuine 42 pictures, at which only a few falsifying and not very
important changes were made." In other words: These are not the
original photos, but photos which look similar to the original ones.
They are still falsified photos. Logically, falsified and/or altered photos cannot be the original
ones.
2. Ptaah is stating that
these are a few examples of the 42 genuine photos, but which do not
correspond 100% with the original photos."
Yes
these falsified photos, technically cannot be called as original &
100% authentic ones because Ptaah said that they were falsified in CR
384, PPKB 10 which is also published in
FIGU Special Bulletin 20.
But from the Ptaah verses in the
FIGU Special Bulletin 20 (including the same one you quoted)
, he actually says the following regarding the level falsification done on these photos:
- "..only slightly falsified by Schmid, whereby the aforesaid falsification, for a logical reason, found no use"
- "..only very few falsifying and not any major changes were made."
Ptaah
clearly says that these pictures are only very slightly falsified with
no major changes at all. He also clearly says that this falsification
found no logical use at all - meaning that most of the ORIGINAL content photographed by Meier still exist in these 42 outer space photos.
Do you agree with this logical conclusion ?
Regards
Mahesh Karumudi
from: Christian Frehner/FIGU <christian.frehner@figu.org>
to: karumudi mahesh chowdary <mahigitam@gmail.com>
date: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:43 AM
subject: Re: Billy's Q/A - Apollo-Soyuz pictures
Hi Mahesh,
See below:
Am 31.10.2014 um 16:28 schrieb karumudi mahesh chowdary:
Dear CF,
"1. Ptaah said (PP Block
10, page 17: "These are only a few examples of the
genuine 42 pictures, at which only a few falsifying and
not very important changes were made." In other
words: These are not the original photos, but photos which
look similar to the original ones. They are still
falsified photos. Logically, falsified and/or altered
photos cannot be the original ones.
2. Ptaah is stating that
these are a few examples of the 42 genuine photos, but
which do not correspond 100% with the original
photos."
Yes these falsified photos, technically cannot be called as
original & 100% authentic ones because Ptaah said that they
were falsified in CR 384, PPKB 10 which is also published in FIGU
Special Bulletin 20:
These are Hans Georg Lanzendorfer's words, not Ptaah's. It's an
interpretation of what Ptaah said in PP Block 10 on page 17.
Regards,
Christian
from: karumudi mahesh chowdary <mahigitam@gmail.com>
to: Christian Frehner/FIGU <christian.frehner@figu.org>
date: Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:02 AM
subject: Billy's Q/A - Apollo-Soyuz pictures
to: karumudi mahesh chowdary <mahigitam@gmail.com>
date: Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:39 AM
subject: Re: Billy's Q/A - Apollo-Soyuz pictures
Hi Mahesh,
Based on what is written in the PP Blocks and in the FIGU Bulletin I
can understand that you have come to this conclusion. But there remains the unsolved question of how reality looked like, i.e what exactly has been falsified. And since neither Ptaah nor Billy want to discuss this issue any further, this
case remains unsolved. I for my part can live with the situation.
Regards,
Christian
from: karumudi mahesh chowdary <mahigitam@gmail.com>
to: Christian Frehner/FIGU <christian.frehner@figu.org>
date: Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:05 PM
subject: Billy's Q/A - Apollo-Soyuz pictures
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Christian Frehner / FIGU <christian.frehner@figu.org> wrote:
Based on what is written in the PP Blocks and in the FIGU Bulletin I
can understand that you have come to this conclusion.
Christian,
may I know why you seem to be avoiding responding to the simple
questions directly ?
My question to you was based on Ptaah's own words.
It is the only conclusion any rational person can reach at. And I have
just asked you, if you agree with it or not ?
One would expect the answer as either YES or NO or I DON'T KNOW, along with reasons.
But there
remains the unsolved question of how reality looked like, i.e what
exactly has been falsified.
I am very
much surprised that again you are asking the same question even after
you were sent my analysis (see the
attachment) 3 months ago on August
20 by Simon, where the side-by-side comparison between the pictures of
Meier and the ones from NASA animation and other documentaries are
presented.
My research (short version), presented in that
document, clearly shows that Meier's outerspace pictures that have been
analysed by me, are not 1% or 10 % or 90% falsified as you seem to be
supposing but
100% falsified.
In other words, the alleged Meier's original outerspace pictures were
switched with those that come from NASA animation, other documentaries
& magazines.
This makes me wonder, whether you have read the
document at all in the first place. If you haven't, then may I know the
reason for not reading it ?
If you have, then may I know the
reason why you still refer it as - "the unsolved question of how reality
looked like, i.e what exactly has been falsified" - when I have shown
that they are 100% falsified ? What are your objections on my research ?
And since neither Ptaah nor Billy want
to discuss this issue any further, this case remains unsolved. I for
my part can live with the situation.