Note:
New information(along with the response by James Deardorff) added towards the end of the blog on March 2, 2014. For easy reference, I have made the color of added text, green.
Following are the scans of pages 252-255 from Korff’s book. In them Korff points out the inconsistencies contained in the photos. More on it later.
April 1996 – Luc Bürgin publishes an article – ‘The Meier Controvery: New Accusations’ in UFO-Kurier, Nr.18, April 1996(rough english translation) & says the following on these 2 pictures: (for original german article read here)
2005 – An article is published on FIGU website as Special Bulletin 20(original german here) about the controversy behind the photographs taken by Meier in outer space(especially the Pteranodon photo)& how these were manipulated by third parties(MIB, photographer Schmid..etc). In that special bulletin 20, Meier shows an article prepared by Hans-George Lanzendorfer(HGL, FIGU CG49 member) on this issue to Plejaren ET Ptaah, who further added some information to the bulletin.
Wikipedia reads:
“The March of Progress, or simply March of Progress, is one of the most famous and recognizable scientific illustrations ever produced. A compressed presentation of 25 million years of human evolution, it depicts 15 human evolutionary forebears lined up as if marching in a parade from left to right. The image has been copied, modified and parodied countless times and has proven controversial in a number of respects.
The illustration that has come to be known as The March of Progress was originally commissioned by Time-Life Books for the Early Man volume (1965) of its popular Life Nature Library.[1] This book, authored by anthropologist F. Clark Howell (1925–2007) and the Time-Life editors, included a foldout section of text and images (pages 41–45) entitled "The Road to Homo Sapiens", prominently featuring the sequence of figures drawn by noted natural history painter and muralist Rudolph Zallinger (1919–1995). “
8.8 Question: I am an artist and plan on making a pencil
drawing of a photo, with 25% of the drawing being different from the photo.
Is that an infringement of copyright in the photo?
Answer: There is no percentage that makes copying legal or illegal. Copying any amount more than a “substantial” amount (which is not clearly defined in the law) requires permission. Although this is a judgement call in each particular circumstance, it is likely that copying 75% of a work would be considered substantial and require permission. (2010-4)
Cave Man or Men ?
Clue #1:
Sep 23, 2012 – Not satisfied with this zero or poor response from 2 FIGU members, I have asked directly Meier, this same question on English FIGU forum on July 28, 2012. He replied on Sep 23, 2012 with:
Since many photos were falsified,..etc, photos are not important anymore
Only when it was pointed that the persons in the images were identical to Dean Martin Variety Show dancers, did he claim to have notice the "fakes" & admitted that he had overlooked these "manipulated"(by MIB, Schmid,..) photos. Let us consider his defensive explanations for a moment as truth. But then why did Meier/FIGU not given any response to the allegations made against him by Kal korff(1995) & Luc Burgin(1996) when these have pointed out all the issues we have discussed so far on Cave-men ?
Did Meier talk with the alleged Plejaren and get confirmation that these cave-men photos were genuinely taken by Meier ? Until such a confirmation has been given by the alleged Plejaren, this issue is not settled according to some Meier case supporters, who feel that this cave-men photos have also been manipulated by MIB, Schmid,..etc. It has been 19 years since the controversy started on the cave-men issue and still no adequate explanation has been provided so far.
Well, I do not know about you but the way the track record of Meier/FIGU looks, suggests that one should not take anything what has been told by Meier or FIGU as certainly the truth.
The following is the response by Research Professor Emeritus(OSU) - James Deardorff on this issue:
Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:56 PM
"Billy's caveman photo would seem to be one of the hoaxed ones. I can't conceive of Billy in a space suit, probably with Semjase alongside, being able to take the picture of a nude caveman who poses for him conveniently striding towards the right with right leg forward, and without any foreground or background showing."
New information(along with the response by James Deardorff) added towards the end of the blog on March 2, 2014. For easy reference, I have made the color of added text, green.
Time Line:
July 1975 – Meier takes a universe-wide trip & even to
another universe on a huge spacecraft called as Great-Spacer and have taken
hundreds of photos and to be precise 1378.
1975-1976 – Realizing that many outer space
pictures were contaminated with fakes purported by third parties(MIB,..etc) in
order to discredit Meier & his mission, Plejaren decided to remove most of
the outer space pictures( to be precise 1336) from the photo albums and destroyed
them to avoid any negative consequences. And so these never got into official
channels for sale. Though some(42) photos were allowed to exist with Meier
& also with the late Guido Moosbrugger(FIGU Core-Group 49 member).
1995 – Kal Korff publishes the book ‘Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier
Story’ in which he on pages 252-255
talks about the primitive “cave man” photographs which he had obtained from an
ex-FIGU member Hans Jacob who worked closely with Meier, managing his Photo
albums during 1975-1976. According to
Korff, these photos were available in Hans Jacob’s binder(DIA-Die grosse Reise
in die Eqigkeit von 17, p.10-11) & he says the following on page 252:
“Billy Meier claims that while visiting the planet
“Neber”, he observed primitive life forms of various kinds, including what he
described as a “cave-man” walking around. He then took two photographs of this
alleged primitive being.”
Following are the scans of pages 252-255 from Korff’s book. In them Korff points out the inconsistencies contained in the photos. More on it later.
April 1996 – Luc Bürgin publishes an article – ‘The Meier Controvery: New Accusations’ in UFO-Kurier, Nr.18, April 1996(rough english translation) & says the following on these 2 pictures: (for original german article read here)
“Two other pictures from 1975 seemed
strangely familiar to me. They show ancient men, which Billy supposedly snapped
during his travel to a planet called “Neber”. Somehow it seemed to me as if the
Swiss photographed the two hairy figures from a graphic illustration, on which the
evolution of men at different points in time is represented. Later it turned
out my instinct didn’t mislead me. The graphic designers from List-publisher
used such an illustration for the German version of a book of Steve Jones
("Die Botschaft der Gene",
München 1995), at which two of the depicted human predecessors were exactly identical with the creatures on Meiers pictures! (I saved myself the trouble to research the exact age of the original illustration, but I bet it originated before 1975.)”
München 1995), at which two of the depicted human predecessors were exactly identical with the creatures on Meiers pictures! (I saved myself the trouble to research the exact age of the original illustration, but I bet it originated before 1975.)”
August 1996 – FIGU responds to the article
written by Luc Bürgin in UFO-Kurier,
Nr.18, April 1996. See the english
response here
& original german here.
However neither Meier nor FIGU didn’t respond to the specific allegations and
even to the primitive cave men photos issue.
2002 –
Meier/FIGU publishes the 3rd edition contact notes, Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Report Block 1.
On page 435 are the cave men photos cropped to fit into the page. For full unedited
photos, refer to the Korff book above. See below for the photo of cave men, as
it appeared on pg 435 of Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Report Block 1.
2005 – An article is published on FIGU website as Special Bulletin 20(original german here) about the controversy behind the photographs taken by Meier in outer space(especially the Pteranodon photo)& how these were manipulated by third parties(MIB, photographer Schmid..etc). In that special bulletin 20, Meier shows an article prepared by Hans-George Lanzendorfer(HGL, FIGU CG49 member) on this issue to Plejaren ET Ptaah, who further added some information to the bulletin.
For the sake of clarity, below, I am going to ask questions
and present answers by quoting the information available in Special Bulletin
20.
Did Meier really
take photos of primitive human beings during his Outer Space travel in July
1975?
“HGL: A journey with
Semjase into the galaxy BEBERAS to the world NEBER in the KRAS system did, in
fact, take place during the 31st Contact on the 17th of July, 1975. The world
inhabited by dinosaurs, NEBER, is 9.38 billion light years away from the Earth.
These facts can be read in the bound edition of The Pleiadian/Plejaren
Contact Reports, Block 1 (2002), on
page 432, sentence# 575 and the following. During the journey, some photographs
of various primeval animals and humans as well as pyramids were actually made
by BEAM, some of which are shown in the edition of the book mentioned....”
“HGL: Several years
ago, the core group members of the association were treated to a short film
that included “Billy” on his Great Space Journey and the documenting of a
dinosaur world. On display was a primeval world in black and white images as
well as some dinosaurs and primitive human beings, who were moving through this
terrain.”
Are any Outer Space photos available & if yes with whom ?
“HGL: After the
freshly developed dinosaur pictures were in the hands of “Billy,” these were
seen and inspected by Quetzal. During this, dozens of pictures were noted by
him, which quite clearly could not have come from the world NEBER and,
therefore, had not been taken by “Billy,” about which Quetzal got very
angry....This especially concerned that photograph, on which a pterosaur, with
an ejecting fish and a white spot on its belly, was portrayed. With the help of
this counterfeit, “Billy” should have one day been made a deceiver and contact
swindler. Because of the manipulations, the photos were immediately recovered
and destroyed by Quetzal in the middle of the 1970s, and indeed, still before
they could be brought into circulation by FIGU or by “Billy...”
“HGL: Before the
original photos were removed and destroyed by Quetzal, however, the foundation
member of FIGU, Guido Moosbrugger, came into the possession of some copies.
However, he had to make the promise to the Plejaren and “Billy,” never to make
the copies available to the public or to get rid of these in any way because
the falsification from a foreign hand was also among the preserved photos.
Should he fail to comply with the instruction, the pictures would have to be
immediately confiscated and destroyed by the Plejaren, as this also happened
with the originals of “Billy.” To this day, Guido Moosbrugger feels bound to
his promise and has always kept the pictures under wraps.”
Are these surviving Outer Space photos which were published in
contact notes, genuine ?
“HGL: In the course of
the joint correction work on the Contact Reports by Ptaah, Florena, Enjana,
“Billy” and Bernadette Brand, the time for clarifying had also come. In the
year 2001, Guido was asked by “Billy” to make some of the photos available for
publication in the corrected Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Report Block.
Therefore, since the year 2001, several genuine dinosaur pictures and dinosaur
slides from the possession of Guido Moosbrugger are to be found with “Billy”
again, but these remain strictly under wraps. For the publication in the
Contact Report Block, it was strictly ensured, with the help of Ptaah, that it only concerned
“Billy’s” genuine pictures or his pictures that were only slightly falsified by
Schmid, whereby the aforesaid falsification, for a logical reason, found no use.”
“Ptaah: Of the more than 1,378 pictures from
your Great Journey, only a few remain, namely 42, which really came from
you, while the majority of the 1,336 pictures consisted of foisted
photocopies of some drawings, etc., which Quetzal discovered very quickly at
that time, which is why he destroyed all slides and photos.... Worldwide, none
of your dinosaur pictures and space pictures, etc. have been published, other
than those that are shown in new Contact Report Block. These, however, are only
a few copies of the real 42 shots, to which only very few falsifying and not
any major changes were made.”
Conclusion: As
you can see from the above information, Meier says that the outer space photos
that were published in Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Report vol 1 in
2002 were only some of the total of 42 surviving genuine or almost genuine
photos that were really taken by him during his trip in July 1975.
Dec 2011 – I for the first time came across Luc
Bürgin’s article – ‘The Meier Controvery: New Accusations’- in UFO-Kurier,
Nr.18, April 1996. Luc mentioned that the photos of primitive men taken by
Meier during his outer space journey resembled to him of a photo of an
illustration depicting the evolution of man & which he later found out that
this is “exactly identical” to the image present on the cover page of the book
authored by Steve Jones ("Die Botschaft der Gene", München, 1995).
And Luc further went on to say that he does not want to bother himself to
search for similar pictures that goes even before the year 1975, the year of
Meier’s travel and that he was pretty confident that they would definitely
exist.
Having read that, I did a simple google search & found
out what I was looking for within a couple of minutes. You can do it yourself
just with these key words – ‘evolution man illustration’ and 34,000,000 results
would appear in 0.44 seconds. Don’t worry you don’t have to go through all of
those pages but now you just need to click on the very first link(which of
course most of the times is a Wikipedia article) on the very first page with
the title - March of
Progress & voila! The following illustration appears in that Wikipedia
article. Notice the part of the illustration highlighted with red circle.
Wikipedia reads:
“The March of Progress, or simply March of Progress, is one of the most famous and recognizable scientific illustrations ever produced. A compressed presentation of 25 million years of human evolution, it depicts 15 human evolutionary forebears lined up as if marching in a parade from left to right. The image has been copied, modified and parodied countless times and has proven controversial in a number of respects.
The illustration that has come to be known as The March of Progress was originally commissioned by Time-Life Books for the Early Man volume (1965) of its popular Life Nature Library.[1] This book, authored by anthropologist F. Clark Howell (1925–2007) and the Time-Life editors, included a foldout section of text and images (pages 41–45) entitled "The Road to Homo Sapiens", prominently featuring the sequence of figures drawn by noted natural history painter and muralist Rudolph Zallinger (1919–1995). “
Further in the Wikipedia it says that primitive people that
were encircled in red are actually from left to right – Homo erectus & Early Homo Sapiens
respectively. Homo erectus lived between
1.9 million years ago and 143,000 years ago & Archaic Homo sapiens, the
forerunner of anatomically modern humans, evolved between 400,000 and 250,000
years ago.
See the side-by-side for comparison of the artist Rudolph
Zallinger’s 1965 illustration and the Meier’s alleged photo taken during his
outer space trip in July 1975. The similarities are astounding & there is
no reason to conclude otherwise rather than say that both look one and the
same, but in B/W mode with out-of-focus & of very poor quality.
How are the photos taken by Meier in 1975 exactly identical
to an artist’s rendition which he made in 1965 ? Lets run down the similarities
among them and contemplate the probability for such an occurrence.
- Photo taken from the same perspective & height as appears in the illustration
- Photos taken under the same lighting conditions, shadows & contrast
- Walking in the same direction, from left to right
- Right leg & left hand forward in both photos
- Same physical form, proportions, growth, size & gait
- Face pointing in the same direction
For Meier to have photographed the primitive men with all
the above features is nearly zero & to be honest in practical terms its
zero. Were there any extraterrestrial reasons that allowed this zero
probability event to take place at least once ?
According to Meier & also according to the author & late FIGU CG49
member Guido Moosbrugger, as it turns out the answer is YES & it did happen many
times.
On pg 170, of the book And Still They Fly, 2004 published by
Guido, the following is said regarding the controversy on the outer space pictures:
“Moreover, it happened
that Billy's photos of outer space were shown on television without naming
their origin. Several pictures in circulation were used to make deceptively
similar, though somewhat altered, reproductions in order to represent future
earth technology Worst of all was the fact that some of the motives had already been known for years in trick or
science fiction movies, before Billy traveled through outer space and had
made public the photos relating thereto. In Billy's case, whoever knew nothing
of the facts undoubtedly must have assumed there was something fishy going on.
But nothing "fishy" was taking place. First, some facts were not
known until later — not even to Billy — and second, the skeptics did not know
soon enough, or not at all.
The true background is
that the Baavi Intelligences(pg.176-have an association
with the Pleiadians and are called on occasion to perform special tasks for
them. They live in the same Tayget SOL System and dimensional plane, as do the
Pleiadians) had a mission to transmit several very special
pictures, identical to Billy's space photographs, to certain
sensitive earth artists in an inspirational manner; for example, to artists who
specialize in futuristic illustrations, science fiction authors, and the like.
Unfortunately, these inspirations were
transmitted before Billy's space photos were publicized, that means with
full intention — if one disregards a mishap in this matter.
According to the
opinion of the extraterrestrials, earth
people are to be prepared for coming events. This is to be accomplished in
a very graphic manner through the publication of such "inspirations"
in the form of pictures. However, the criteria
used to select the photos is unknown to me.
Billy thus had to
swallow the accusations that his photos were not genuine and that he had merely
copied them from existing paintings, magazine photos and illustrations of every
kind, or were photographed from television programs. For our extraterrestrial friends,
the entire misery must have been like a bracing cold shower. Their
well-intended efforts produced the exact opposite effect. Certainly, the
actions of the Baavi Intelligences can be correctly understood only if we try
to put ourselves into their totally different manner of thinking. Lying and
cheating are foreign to them. They freed themselves of these vices quite some
time ago. They were only reminded of it again after they discovered that lying
and cheating on earth is the usual practice. Thus, viewed from their lofty
standpoint, no one can blame them for completely misjudging the earth peoples'
behaviour. Had they imagined how negative the reaction would be to their plans,
they would certainly have refrained from carrying them out and would have left
their premature "inspirations" alone.”
So Meier’s response is that the ETs known as ‘Baavi
Intelligences’ transmit pictures of events to artists, authors,..etc as “inspirations” without making them aware of
it, who specialize in futuristic illustrations, science fiction authors, and
the like.
And what is the
criteria used by these highly developed ETs in the selection of pictures which
are to be send as inspirations to artists ?
Guido says he does not know the criteria but mentions that
they have selected the pictures identical to Billy’s space photographs for
their inspirations! And that these were planned to be sent to artists in order
for them to get published only after Meier publicized his outer space photos
first. Which of course didn’t go accordingly and this he says is the true cause
behind the controversy of some of the outer space pictures.
Ex: Future San
Francisco earthquake photos which were supposed to be published by Geo Magazine
only after Meier publishes it around March 1978. But according to Meier/Guido,
the Geo Magazine “issued by mistake an entire year too early – several months
before Billy’s journey through time” - (pg.171, ASTF, 2004).
So lets look at it again carefully! Baavi ETs inspires
artists, authors..etc by projecting
images of photos that would be taken by Meier in the future ?
Does this mean that Baavi ETs have been projecting images at least from year 1965 to the noted natural
history painter and muralist Rudolph Zallinger, of photos of primitive cave men
that would be taken by Billy 10 years later in 1975 expecting that he would
render them only after Meier’s trip in 1975 ? (nobody or no institution plans
to render an illustration 10 years ahead!)
For this to
accomplish, according to Meier literature, they either have to physically time
travel into the future & get a copy of Meier’s photos & come back and
begin projecting images. And another method is using the powers of consciousness,
to capture with mind the photos taken by Meier in future and then transmit these as inspirations to
artists, authors,..etc.
Why not just use images obtained by themselves about their
own technology, travels, experiences,..etc ?
What is the logic behind using Meier’s photos as
inspirations when there are a lot of negative consequences attached to it ?
Apart from these absurdities, apparent internal
inconsistencies & contradictions there is another angle to this
transmission of pictures.
How efficient is this
method of sending inspirations by Baavi Intelligences ?
Let us suppose that Baavi ETs have inspired an artist with a
picture which is identical to a photo taken by Meier in year 1975. And 5 years later
in year 1980, the artist publishes his drawing or illustration, identical to
Meier’s – which is what Baavi ETs chose.
Now doesn’t it
cause copyrights issues ?
According to our earth laws, an identical drawing or a
drawing with substantial similarities of a photograph is considered to be a
copyright infringement. Imagine if Baavi ETs send the same picture to different
artists(as far as I know Meier didn’t mention this to be the case yet!) who
would make the same illustration who then would sue each other and their
institutions that have authorized them. So from this earthly understanding, I
don’t think this method of sending inspirations is productive & efficient
at all.
Below Q/A
is taken from www.copyrightlaws.com
website:
Answer: There is no percentage that makes copying legal or illegal. Copying any amount more than a “substantial” amount (which is not clearly defined in the law) requires permission. Although this is a judgement call in each particular circumstance, it is likely that copying 75% of a work would be considered substantial and require permission. (2010-4)
Cave Man or Men ?
Kal Korff in his 1995
book, besides pointing out the photographic inconsistencies in Meier’s photos,
mentioned that Meier had taken 2 photos
of the same person and this photo series are named in the Hans Jacob’s binder
as “Cave-Man”. Meier didn’t present any caption to his photos which were
published in the Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Report Block 1(2002) but from SB
20, the following clue suggests that the 2 photos are not of one cave man but two
different cave men.
Clue #1:
“During the journey, some photographs of various primeval
animals and humans as well as pyramids were actually made by BEAM, some of
which are shown in the edition of the book mentioned.”
Clue #2:
“On display was a primeval world in black and white images
as well as some dinosaurs and primitive human beings, who were moving through
this terrain.”
But a problem still persists, which is that according to the
information in the contact report 35, Tuesday, September 16, 1975, Meier describes
the circumstances during his visit to Neber planet as follows:
·
Planet is at a level where dinosaurs exist and
the development of human life will happen many millions of years later
·
Semjase says that they cannot walk on the planet
and only have stay inside their ship which she would make invisible against
detection
·
Two different human races from two different
galaxies constructed their research bases on Neber & when much later both
of their own home worlds got destroyed(one by cosmic catastrophe & the other
by unknown deadly epidemic), being nowhere to go, they gradually devolved
technologically(cannot repair their spaceships which became useless junk with
time) & their descendants became slowly wild & primitive and got
adapted to the wild & barbarous planet Neber.
·
Only after 3,000 years did a highly developed ET
race visited the planet & by that time these two races(once waited for help
from outside) degenerated and became very wild & primitive, primarily
acting on reflexes.
Read CR 35, for more detailed information. Those who want to
point out the if Semjase and Meier were in the spacecraft, how could Meier take
photos that appear from ground-level, it can be countered by saying that Meier
could have taken photographs from a monitor inside the spaceship and that this
monitor has the instrumentation & capability to capture & project images
according to people’s wish.
In CR 35, it was also
mentioned that the primitive human races physically & consciousness-wise became
wild & primitive due to the adaptation to the nature, until to a point where
the reflexes would take over which are primarily geared for self-preservation.
Nowhere in CR 35 was it mentioned that the human races with time(not mentioned)
, “devolved” to a state where they would get ape-like features – large cranial capacity, ape-like facial
features,..etc.
So we have 2 major problems:
So we have 2 major problems:
- Pictures being 100% Identical with an illustration from 1965
- Obvious differences with human anatomy in 2 pictures
Unanswered Questions:
- How did Meier & FIGU & Plejaren miss these issues since 1975 when they have “successfully” detected 1336 fakes when Meier received his developed pictures in 1975 ?
- How did they miss ‘March of Progress’ illustration when it is by far one of the most famous and recognizable scientific illustrations ever produced which achieved iconic status since 1965 ?(A Google Images search for march of progress, progress, ascent of man, or descent of man will return many hundreds of images derived from the March of Progress.)
- Why did Meier/FIGU not respond to these issues when they were made aware of it by Kal Korff & Luc Bürgin in 1995 & 1996 respectively ?
- Hans George Lanzendorfer(FIGU CG 49 member) states in SB 20 the following: “For the publication in the Contact Report Block, it was strictly ensured, with the help of Ptaah, that it only concerned “Billy’s” genuine pictures or his pictures that were only slightly falsified by Schmid, whereby the aforesaid falsification, for a logical reason, found no use.” Why did Meier/FIGU and alleged ET Ptaah ignore these issues & went ahead with publishing these pictures as almost authentic in 2002 when they in advance of 6-7 years earlier made aware of it by Kal Korff & Luc Bürgin?
January 2012 – Since I got no response from Christian Frehner, I decided to
raise this issue on german FIGU
forum & get some clarification where Hans Georg Lanzendorfer the author
of the SB20 article acts a moderator. Unfortunately he didn’t respond when at
first it looked he was going to.
February 2012 – Again asked Hans Georg
Lanzendorfer about it on the forum but got no response.
July 2012 – 7 months later got a response from Christian
Frehner.
Wed, Jul 25, 2012
at 12:40 AM
Hi Mahigitam,
Here at last you get an answer to your question (pardon me/us for the delay):
Based on Ptaah's statement during the 384th contact of April 16, 2005 (FIGU-Sonder-Bulletin No. 20 of July 2005) the photos in the Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Block 1 belong to those 42 genuine photos (of 1335 falsified ones) , which were only slightly changed/manipulated. In my understanding this means that the photos present the real situation, but probably with some slight manipulations. They may be taken as an example of what Billy saw and met during his Great Journey (Grosse Reise).
Of course Billy never made photographs from illustrations in books etc. This would absolutely not correspond with his character, honesty and dedication for the mission. Besides, faking such photos in order to "enhance" the authenticity of his case would be silly and is absolutely out of question.
I hope this clarifies the situation.
Salome,
Christian
Here at last you get an answer to your question (pardon me/us for the delay):
Based on Ptaah's statement during the 384th contact of April 16, 2005 (FIGU-Sonder-Bulletin No. 20 of July 2005) the photos in the Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Block 1 belong to those 42 genuine photos (of 1335 falsified ones) , which were only slightly changed/manipulated. In my understanding this means that the photos present the real situation, but probably with some slight manipulations. They may be taken as an example of what Billy saw and met during his Great Journey (Grosse Reise).
Of course Billy never made photographs from illustrations in books etc. This would absolutely not correspond with his character, honesty and dedication for the mission. Besides, faking such photos in order to "enhance" the authenticity of his case would be silly and is absolutely out of question.
I hope this clarifies the situation.
Salome,
Christian
Sep 23, 2012 – Not satisfied with this zero or poor response from 2 FIGU members, I have asked directly Meier, this same question on English FIGU forum on July 28, 2012. He replied on Sep 23, 2012 with:
Billy photographed the “primitive cave man” with his
photo camera in just the same way he photographed all the other objects and
people etc.
Billy doesn’t care whether the published photo resembles
or matches the famous illustration or not. Since so many of the photos were falsified
etc. and, therefore, were taken away from Billy by Quetzal, the photos are not
important anymore.
(Note by CF: Besides, the photos of the
great journey don’t prove anything because no one on our planet is capable of
verifying Billy’s pictures in the next thousands of years.)
Once again Meier/FIGU asserts that Meier really photographed
the primitive cave men on Neber planet. Since we got an official confirmation
directly from Meier, let us analyse his & CFs response.
They basically make the following 3 points:
- Billy does not care if the photo resembles any famous illustration
- Since many photos were falsified,..etc, photos are not important anymore
- Since no one is capable of verifying Meier’s outer space photos in next 1000 years, they cannot prove anything
Billy does not care if the photo resembles any famous illustration
Then why did Meier care when the following photos resembled
illustrations or photos or images from TV:
- Venus
- Mars
- Jupiter
- Universal Barrier photo
- Apollu-Soyuz link-up photos
- Ring Nebula
- Great San Francisco earthquake
- Asket & Nera
- Wedding Cake UFO
Perhaps Meier stopped caring about these issues after
Asket-Nera issue in 1998.
Since many photos were falsified,..etc, photos are not important anymore
Alleged Plejaren Quetzal was said to have detected 1336
phony outer space photos in 1975 itself immediately when Meier got the photos
from photo labs. Also it has been said that 1200 pictures of beamships, landing
tracks,..etc were stolen from Meier during late 1970’s & so Meier was left
with only a few hundred now. Most of
these falsifications were known to Meier since 1975. So according to the above
statement, Meier should have neglected any controversies regarding the photos.
But did he? But as it turns out Meier defended himself when issues like
Asket-Nera & Wedding cake UFOs caught the attention of both sceptics and
supporters in late 1990’s by giving explanations after consulting with the
alleged Plejaren Ptaah ?
Besides what if these falsified photos were also to get into
official publications as authentic or almost authentic photos ?
Should Meier/FIGU and readers not worry about it ?
Since no one is capable of verifying Meier’s outer space photos in next 1000 years, they cannot prove anything
Here Christian Frehner, already assumes that all these surviving outer space photos are genuine. He being a FIGU member since 1987 and having allegedly many personal “paranormal” experiences he has his own truth and conviction on the authenticity of the Meier case and trust in Meier’s words. But the world at large, especially skeptics, researchers, investigators,..etc do not have such oppurtunity of experiencing closely the “paranormal” events & get to know Meier’s true personality in order to trust Meier’s words as nothing but truths or half-truths.
Here Christian Frehner, already assumes that all these surviving outer space photos are genuine. He being a FIGU member since 1987 and having allegedly many personal “paranormal” experiences he has his own truth and conviction on the authenticity of the Meier case and trust in Meier’s words. But the world at large, especially skeptics, researchers, investigators,..etc do not have such oppurtunity of experiencing closely the “paranormal” events & get to know Meier’s true personality in order to trust Meier’s words as nothing but truths or half-truths.
- How many years did it take to verify some of outer space pictures which resembled illustrations, images from TV & photos ? Answer is less than a year.
- How many years did it take to verify Wedding cake UFO which resembled an object made out of common spare parts available in garage and kitchen ? Answer is 20 years, in 1995.
- How many years did it take to verify the Asket-Nera photos which resembled that of Dean Martin dancers ? Answer is 23 years, in 1998.
- How many years did it take to verify that Primitive cave men photos were from an illustration made in year 1965 ? Answer is 36 years, in 2011.
Only when it was pointed that the persons in the images were identical to Dean Martin Variety Show dancers, did he claim to have notice the "fakes" & admitted that he had overlooked these "manipulated"(by MIB, Schmid,..) photos. Let us consider his defensive explanations for a moment as truth. But then why did Meier/FIGU not given any response to the allegations made against him by Kal korff(1995) & Luc Burgin(1996) when these have pointed out all the issues we have discussed so far on Cave-men ?
Did Meier talk with the alleged Plejaren and get confirmation that these cave-men photos were genuinely taken by Meier ? Until such a confirmation has been given by the alleged Plejaren, this issue is not settled according to some Meier case supporters, who feel that this cave-men photos have also been manipulated by MIB, Schmid,..etc. It has been 19 years since the controversy started on the cave-men issue and still no adequate explanation has been provided so far.
Well, I do not know about you but the way the track record of Meier/FIGU looks, suggests that one should not take anything what has been told by Meier or FIGU as certainly the truth.
The following is the response by Research Professor Emeritus(OSU) - James Deardorff on this issue:
Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:56 PM
"Billy's caveman photo would seem to be one of the hoaxed ones. I can't conceive of Billy in a space suit, probably with Semjase alongside, being able to take the picture of a nude caveman who poses for him conveniently striding towards the right with right leg forward, and without any foreground or background showing."
What
does this all mean for:
Meier case supporters:
There are many such oddities in the Meier case and this primitive
cave-men photos are just one of them which however does not take away the genuinity
of whole case.
Meier case
critics:
This primitive cave men photos once again proves what they
have been saying all along since 1975, that this case is one giant hoax.
Note: Any counter-arguments, criticism & corrections are most welcome.
Note: Any counter-arguments, criticism & corrections are most welcome.
The evidence does show clearly these were indeed faked using some photographic trickery. On the other hand, one could posit that since this was taken in the past apparently from inside a UFO, it could account for the blurry image. Either way, these photos were created not taken as stated.
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